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the ending points really gonna change our lives. no more only C# code.

VB geek

many company still using vb, so i think it's have a future

Hi -

Great podcast. I'm taking you up on your offer. Almost every example and article I see on LINQ is done in C# with no VB.Net examples. I know there is the page on MSDN - 101 vb.net link examples - and it's great - but the other examples and articles are all C# only. LINQ is a wonderful technology and we of the VB.Net nation need our examples!

Thanks so much

Jim

I have a couple of friends who writes VB codes. But, I doubt whether VB has a future. BTW, I'm addicted to curly braces and semi-colon.

:-)

You sometimes ask question, but actually you don't want to. You want to point out your oppinion about a particular case, and get a approvement is possible.

This is not the tenor of an interview.

I think VB has still got a long way to go.

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Thanks for the interview, Joe! Here's a follow-up to the VS 2010 Beta 1 uninstall question you asked...

There are no "guarantees" for Microsoft Beta software, so the general guidance is not to install on your production machine. That being said, we have tested uninstall internally and it is working fairly well.

Very well done. Great podcast!

C# is great programming language, VB is for kids, i dont want to say that you cannot write something in C# that you cannot write in VB, but i think that the logic and purety of the c# code is much more then VB.

Did most of you actually listen to the podcast? "VB is for kids." What a bunch of morons.

Jim,

Thanks for the info. Can you please send me the addresses for the Microsoft sites where you wish you saw more VB.NET LINQ content? That info would help me make this the most actionable...

Thanks!

Lisa

AG,

Thanks for writing. I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying C#. However, I don't understand how you can say that C# is great and VB is for kids when you agree that they both can do the same things...

Lisa

I definitely agree with Lisa,

well, if kids can use VB, it means its really easy to code in VB, and thats the whole point "is", if its that userfriendly why not go for VB when it can do everything C# does. Also, if VB was for kids it would not have been a part of .NET Studio again and again and again, afterall it all depends what language you feel comfortable coding in.

Abhi

Wasn't one of the original selling points of asp.net (back in 1.1 days) that you could write in the code you want at it works the same way once compiled so that people using a specific language would not be disadvantaged by performance or features?

I have been coding vb.net ever since it came out and am in no hurry to learn C# when I can do everything I need quickly and easily in vb.net.

thanks for your posting

VBA is never going away, and ASP classic is still used in the enterprise. I, however, do prefer programming in C# and get frustrated with samples that are VB.Net only. C# is easy to learn and I just do not understand why VB programmers are reluctant to learn a new programming language. Programmers should embrace learning new languages and technologies. VB.Net and C# are powerful because of the underlying framework and once you learn one, learning the other is simple.

I'm not sure why people dislike VB so much. I find it is a much more logical syntax than C#. I, like many other VB developers have grown increasingly soured on C# developers claiming "VB has a long way to go". Hogwash. C# is exactly the same as VB, except for the fact that it is written in pig latin and uses curly brackets and semi-colons.

Just because *you* use something doesn't mean the other is inferior. C# is in no way, shape or form superior to VB. Nor is VB superior to C#. Just two different routes to the CLR highway...

I must say however, the trend on the internet for at least the last year is the phasing out of code examples for VB on many sites. You have to be kidding me. When we ask for samples, we are refered to one of the many "Convert C# to VB.Net" apps online. Why should we have to do this? This is not an extra step that C# developers have to endure... At least 30% of the time, it doesn't translate correctly anyhow..

Ok, so there's my little rant. Anyhow, VB is not dead or in the process of death. Microsoft has an active VB development team that works with their C# team to further framework development.

Nice podcast - thanks! one thing I think that should also be mentioned is that good programming is a result of talent, not a language. I've seen some C# programmers that write really cruddy code, and the same for VB. My comment to the guy that says VB is for kids is to let me see some of your work. I will be able to tell by your programs interface if you have any talent or not. The end users do NOT care if a program was written in VB or C#, but they will care if it is poorly written and crashes! Also, where's the virtual ISO for 2010? I would be interested in downloading that. thanks again!

As a VB developer since 1992, I have yet to find a problem I could not solve using this language. In terms of usability, English is my native language, VB employs a grammatic structure familiar to me which is intuitive and easy to understand.

Hi,

Great podcast.

I am an ex Vb guy who moved to c# because the market demanded c# programmers.I fought long and hard for vb but I gave up as MS was mainly c# oriented.

On top of that c# always seemed to be a step ahead.

Also the best websites like codeProject and stuff are mainly c# oriented and it was very difficult to find good example or cool controls written in vb.

If you are a Third party software house they will never write in vb as does not sell .Stupid I know.

I have to say that c# made me a better programmer.VB and it's legacy is too laxed. MOre disciplined.

Option Explicit and all that stuff you could turn off.Basically if you want to you are more likely to write bad code whilst c# does not allow you to do those strange conversions etc...

One thing and it's a pity and I think c# is rubbish is case Sensitivity.

I think it's bad code todo Customer customer=new Customer();

I dont think MS will ever fix that one.

Again thanks for your podcast

Conclusion

It will take an enormous effort from MS to make the community and third party vendors to adopt VB again.

Hi JD,

Here's a link for the VS 2010 Professional Beta 1 ISO download:

www.microsoft.com/.../details.aspx

In addition, here's a full list of Beta 1 downloads available:

msdn.microsoft.com/.../dd582936.aspx

Cheers,

Lisa

great podcast joe..

And BTW we need your blog to stay and publish more useful stuff for developers even though sometime it is not really .net related :)

Cheers

Sunny